Summary of 1994 CSICOP conference
Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu!lippard From: lip...@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Re: News of the CSICOP conference? Date: 11 Jul 1994 15:59 MST Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 110 Distribution: world Message-ID: <11JUL199415590395@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <forb0004.229.0036889A@gold.tc.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <forb0004.2...@gold.tc.umn.edu>, forb...@gold.tc.umn.edu (Eric J. Forbis) writes... >I'm surprised that so little has been written about the recent conference on >this group. Please, any who attended, tell all! I had intended to write up a summary of the Seattle conference similar to the one I did for the 1992 Dallas conference (which may be found in /pub/anson/Arizona_Skeptic on netcom.com, in vol. 6 somewhere, over two issues). Events conspired against me, however. My flight did not arrive until the conference had already begun on Thursday night, and I was quite disappointed to miss Robert Baker's presentation in the session on alien abductions. I also brought only an old school notebook, which I found contained only two blank sheets of paper in it. Then I planned to view Becky Long's videotapes of the sessions afterward, but her camera's battery recharger broke. So the following is all from memory. I arrived at the conference on Thursday evening and was surprised to find that the main conference room was completely full and an overflow crowd was watching via closed-circuit television. This was the largest CSICOP conference to date. I believe that for the alien abduction and False Memory Syndrome-related sessions there were over 700 attendees. (I seem to remember somebody telling me that, but we know how unreliable human memory is.) I showed up in the middle of a presentation by Thomas Bullard, who was very impressed by what he claimed were amazing consistencies between the accounts of abductees. He argued against the claim (made by Baker?) that the motifs in abduction stories can be traced to "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" by pointing out the same motifs in earlier abduction claims. (Yeah, but what about earlier appearances of "Grey"-like aliens in other science fiction?) Next, John Mack spoke about why he was speaking at a CSICOP conference and discussed the "intense polarization in ufology" between skeptics and believers. He said that he was a skeptic about UFO abductions and that he considers it to be an unsolved mystery. At times he sounded like John Keel or Jacques Vallee--suggesting that aliens are interdimensional creatures that can't be reduced to any known categories of human thought. Like Bullard, he appealed to the consistency between testimonies. I wrote down a series of questions he had for CSICOP and skeptics: 1. Why so much vehemence in these attacks? [on him, on abduction claims] 2. Why so much certainty? 3. Why do we attack the experiencers themselves? 4. Why do you attack writers of your own commissioned reports who don't come up with the conclusions you want? I have no idea what the last question is supposed to be referring to, since CSICOP does not commission research. It sounds like a question more appropriately addressed to MUFON regarding its treatment of investigators of the Gulf Breeze UFO sightings. Since Nicholas Spanos died tragically in an airplane crash just a week or so before the conference, at the last minute clinical psychologist William Cone from Newport Beach, Calif. was brought in. (He was already a conference attendee.) He began by saying that he didn't bring any slides, but if the whole audience would just look at the screen, research shows that about 2% of us would see things on it anyway. Cone said that he has worked with a few dozen abductees, including some in locked wards of mental institutions. He argued that abduction research that he has seen is very badly done, with the researchers imposing their views on their subjects. He offered a number of possible answers to the question "Why would anyone make up stories like this?": (1) for the money (he gave a specific example from his own experience), (2) for notoriety and attention (he said that he's had abductees tell him they had never told anyone about their experience before, and then show up on a tabloid TV show a week later), (3) for identity with a group of people. He seemed to rebut most of the claims made by Bullard and Mack about abductees. Also added to the program was abductee and hypnotherapist Sharon Phillip (?), who was brought in by Mack. She described her own UFO sighting/abduction and promoted the usefulness of hypnotherapy. Also present was Donna Bassett, who passed herself off as an abductee in Mack's group and then went public in the _Time_ magazine article about Mack. She stated that, just as women have been doing for centuries, she faked it. She had very strong words of criticism for Mack's methodology and claimed that his clients are telling Mack what he wants to hear, but say other things behind his back. She accused him of not getting informed consent from his clients about what they are getting into. Mack replied by saying that he could not discuss her case because of confidentiality, but that he was not convinced that she *wasn't* really an abductee. (He implied that he had reasons for thinking this that he was not at liberty to discuss.) He flat out denied parts of her story, such as the part about his breaking her bed while sitting on it from his enthusiastic reaction to her story about being on a UFO with JFK and Kruschev. He also suggested that Phil Klass had put her up to her hoax, since her husband had worked with Klass at _Aviation Week_. This prompted the biggest outburst of anger that I witnessed at the conference, from Klass, who stated that he had not seen the Bassetts for many years and heard about the hoax in the media like everybody else. He subsequently contacted them, and was responsible for Donna Bassett's being invited to the CSICOP conference. There followed a series of audience questions and answers, including several which expressed concern about Bassett being brought into the conference without Mack's knowledge. Some of these concerned audience members changed their minds when told that Mack was already well aware of the specifics of Donna Bassett's charges as a result of the _Time_ story. Well, that was Thursday, June 23. I'll comment further later about the two Friday sessions and Carl Sagan's keynote address, the three Saturday sessions and the luncheon talk about CSICOP and the Law, and the Sunday session--or perhaps others can jump in. Jim Lippard _Skeptic_ magazine: lip...@ccit.arizona.edu ftp://ftp.rtd.com/pub/zines/skeptic/ Tucson, Arizona http://www.rtd.com/~lippard/skeptics-society.html
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!sheaffer From: shea...@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) Subject: Re: News of the CSICOP conference? Message-ID: <sheafferCsy5EI.n1t@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <forb0004.229.0036889A@gold.tc.umn.edu> <11JUL199415590395@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> <Jul13.044226.32392@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:11:05 GMT Lines: 31 >In article <11JUL199...@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>, >James J. Lippard <lip...@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote: >> I showed up in the middle of a presentation by Thomas Bullard, who was >>very impressed by what he claimed were amazing consistencies between >>the accounts of abductees. He argued against the claim (made by Baker?) >>that the motifs in abduction stories can be traced to "Close Encounters >>of the Third Kind" by pointing out the same motifs in earlier abduction >>claims. (Yeah, but what about earlier appearances of "Grey"-like aliens in >>other science fiction?) I was going to comment about this at the conference, were it not such a mob scene that getting to a microphone became nearly impossible: Bullard was right to object to Baker's statement that 'all these grey aliens come from the 1977 movie CEIIIK'. (Bullard went on to cite some pre-1977 examples). However, Marty Kottmeyer makes a pretty good case tracing the origin of the _genre_ to Barney Hill who in March 1964 (date from memory: beware FMS) sketched an alien that had supposedly abducted him. This drawing was subsequently widely published. Marty found out, however, that an episode of _The Twilight Zone_ had aired with a nearly-identical alien, just A FEW DAYS before Barney made his sketch. (The individual sessions with Dr. Benjamin Simon were all carefully dated and transcribed, and fan books tell when each _Twilight Zone_ episode first aired.) -- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - shea...@netcom.com Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized! "As women and as lawyers, we must never again shy from raising our voices against sexual harrassment. All women who care about equality of opportunity - about integrity and morality in the workplace - are in Professor Anita Hill's debt." -- Hillary Rodham Clinton, 8/9/92, at an American Bar Association luncheon honoring Anita Hill "I want to make it very clear that this middle class tax cut, in my view, is central to any attempt we are going to make to have a short term economic strategy and a long term fairness strategy, which is part of getting this country going again." -- candidate Bill Clinton, ABC News Primary Debate, Manchester, New Hampshire, 1/19/92