Saturday, October 22, 2005
Kirk Cameron on Evolution (he's against it)
The banana—the atheist's nightmare.Troy's rebuttal: OK, now explain the pineapple.Note that the banana:
1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content: Green—too early,Yellow—just right, Black—too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.
There's also some amusing commentary on coconuts.
For more on Cavendish bananas (the particular variety Americans are familiar with), see this Popular Science article. They are seedless, sterile plants that are all clones of each other, and the variety familiar to us was, in fact, the product of human intervention (artificial selection).
The video is filled with the usual nonsense and misrepresentations--Darwin is quoted out-of-context about the eye, it's falsely claimed that Einstein wasn't an atheist, fails to recognize the differences between human artifacts and self-reproducing biological organisms, etc.
UPDATE (May 12, 2008): A 1954 letter from Einstein to philosopher Eric Gutkind says:
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
...
For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.
UPDATE (June 25, 2008): Ray Comfort concedes that the banana argument is not a good one.
UPDATE (July 11, 2009): Ray Comfort has apologized for the bad argument, but is still completely clueless. Adding the Coke can back to the example doesn't improve the argument at all.
Posted by Lippard at 10/22/2005 01:30:00 PM 1 comments
Labels: creationism, intelligent design, religion
Michael Behe Disproves Irreducible Complexity
At the Dispatches from the Culture Wars blog, Ed Brayton quotes a long section from Behe's cross-examination about this paper about what it actually demonstrates. It has been represented as demonstrating that a particular kind of irreducibly complex system cannot evolve. What it actually shows is something rather different. As Ed puts it:
Yet what does he admit under oath that his own study actually says? It says that IF you assume a population of bacteria on the entire earth that is 7 orders of magnitude less than the number of bacteria in a single ton of soil...and IF you assume that it undergoes only point mutations...and IF you rule out recombination, transposition, insertion/deletion, frame shift mutations and all of the other documented sources of mutation and genetic variation...and IF you assume that none of the intermediate steps would serve any function that might help them be preserved...THEN it would take 20,000 years (or 1/195,000th of the time bacteria have been on the earth) for a new complex trait requiring multiple interacting mutations - the very definition of an irreducibly complex system according to Behe - to develop and be fixed in a population.The full exchange quoted at Dispatches is worth reading, and more commentary can be found at The Panda's Thumb, where John Timmer points out that
In other words, even under the most absurd and other-worldly assumptions to make it as hard as possible, even while ruling out the most powerful sources of genetic variation, an irreducibly complex new trait requiring multiple unselected mutations can evolve within 20,000 years. And if you use more realistic population figures, in considerably less time than that. It sounds to me like this is a heck of an argument against irreducible complexity, not for it.
Based on the math presented there [in Behe & Snoke], it appears that this sort of mutation combination could arise about 10^14 times a year, or something like 100 trillion times a year.
Posted by Lippard at 10/22/2005 01:08:00 PM 0 comments
Labels: creationism, Discovery Institute, Dover trial, intelligent design
Friday, October 21, 2005
Cool toy
Posted by Lippard at 10/21/2005 10:06:00 PM 1 comments
Labels: science fiction
AmEx sues Savvis CEO for nonpayment of strip club tab
I remember hearing stories of similar activity by sales executives at Genuity before the dot-com bust (no pun intended).
Savvis' deputy general counsel says that he disputed the charges with AmEx and that they believe he was the victim of fraud by Scores.
This is apparently the third such lawsuit from AmEx involving disputed Scores bills (the other two were for $28,000 and $129,000). Scores spokesman Lonnie Hanover says that high rollers who visit the "super elite President's Club" at Scores often spend thousands of dollars on single bottles of champagne and give strippers tips as large as $10,000. Sounds like a clip joint to me.
Posted by Lippard at 10/21/2005 05:19:00 PM 0 comments
Nkem Owoh's "I Go Chop Your Dollar"
As this site complains (along with the next link), the video does nothing to raise confidence in Nigeria. The song is popular in Cameroon, and is apparently based on a tract authored by Nkem Owoh.
UPDATE (December 10, 2009): Nkem Owoh was recently kidnapped while driving down the highway in eastern Nigeria, and the original ransom was 15 million naira ($99,000), but allegedly reduced to 1.4 million naira and his car. (Source: "Go for the locals," The Economist, November 28-December 4, 2009, p. 56.)
Posted by Lippard at 10/21/2005 04:26:00 PM 4 comments
More on Behe and "review"
Q But you actually were a critical reviewer of Pandas, correct; that’s what it says in the acknowledgments page of the book?
A that’s what it lists there, but that does not mean that I critically reviewed the whole book and commented on it in detail, yes.
Q What did you review and comment on, Professor Behe?
A I reviewed the literature concerning blood clotting, and worked with the editor on the section that became the blood clotting system. So I was principally responsible for that section.
Q So you were reviewing your own work?
A I was helping review or helping edit or helping write the section on blood clotting.
Q Which was your own contribution?
A that’s — yes, that’s correct.
Q that’s not typically how the term “critical review” is used; would you agree with that?
A Yeah, that’s correct.
Q So when the publishers of Pandas indicate that you were a critical reviewer of Pandas, that’s somewhat misleading, isn’t it?
MR. MUISE: Objection. Assumes that he understands what their purpose for listing him as a critical reviewer.
THE COURT: He just answered the question that that’s not a critical review, so the objection is overruled. You can ask that question.
BY MR. ROTHSCHILD:
Q Advertising you as a critical reviewer of this book is misleading to the students, isn’t it?
MR. MUISE: Objection, that’s argumentative.
THE COURT: it’s cross examination. it’s appropriate cross. Overruled.
THE WITNESS: I m sorry, could you repeat the question?
BY MR. ROTHSCHILD:
Q Telling the readers of Pandas that you were a critical reviewer of that book is misleading, isn’t it?
A I disagree. As I said, that’s not the typical way that the term “critical reviewer” is used, but nonetheless, in my opinion I don’t think it is misleading.
Posted by Lippard at 10/21/2005 03:47:00 PM 1 comments
Nice optical illusion
Posted by Lippard at 10/21/2005 02:33:00 PM 1 comments
Intelligent Design and Rigorous Peer Review
At the same time, Behe agreed, when asked by plaintiff's counsel Eric Rothschild if the "peer review for Darwin's Black Box was analogous to peer review in the [scientific] literature." It was, according to Behe, even more rigorous. There were more than twice standard the number of reviewers and "they read [the book] more carefully... because this was a controversial topic."It turns out that the deciding factor in the book's being published came from the rigorous peer review of Dr. Michael Atchison of the University of Pennsylvania, who has described his involvement:
...I received a phone call from the publisher in New York. We spent approximately 10 minutes on the phone. After hearing a description of the work, I suggested that the editor should seriously consider publishing the manuscript. I told him that the origin of life issue was still up in the air. It sounded like this Behe fellow might have some good ideas, although I could not be certain since I had never seen the manuscript. We hung up and I never thought about it again. At least until two years later. [...]The key reviewer, whose comments were the determining factor in the publication of the book, spent ten minutes on the telephone with the publisher, whose wife was a student in one of his classes, and he never saw the book itself until after it was published.
In November 1998, I finally met Michael Behe when he visited Penn for a Faculty Outreach talk. He told me that yes, indeed, it was his book that the publisher called me about. In fact, he said my comments were the deciding factor in convincing the publisher to go ahead with the book.
Ed Brayton and John Lynch give more detail and comment.
There were four other reviewers: Robert Shapiro (prof. of chemistry, NYU, author of Origins: A Skeptic's Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth), K. John Morrow (formerly at Texas Tech University Health Sciences, published critic of Dembski and Behe), a forgotten Washington University biochemist, and another whom Behe has completely forgotten. Perhaps they gave it a more rigorous review than Atchison, who didn't actually review it at all.
Posted by Lippard at 10/21/2005 02:12:00 PM 2 comments
Labels: creationism, Dover trial, intelligent design