tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post8193968710144084990..comments2024-01-10T17:36:15.040-07:00Comments on The Lippard Blog: Bigoted and ignorant McCain/Palin supporters in OhioLippardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-90920788241566954952008-10-24T09:46:00.000-07:002008-10-24T09:46:00.000-07:00About 30 minutes ago I flipped on the Neal Boortz ...About 30 minutes ago I flipped on the Neal Boortz radio show. He was taking callers. The caller I heard was saying comparing Obama to Hitler; saying Hitler promised change, was not a real German, etc.<BR/><BR/>When the caller got done, Boortz said that he was not sure he wanted to compare Obama to Hitler, but that he would say that if Obama could he'd send capitalism to the ovens.<BR/><BR/>And Boortz has previously described Democrats (including H. Clinton and Obama) as fascists, citing Jonah Goldberg's <I>Liberal Fascism</I> as a source.Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-29279496618807596412008-10-23T15:25:00.000-07:002008-10-23T15:25:00.000-07:00Thanks for those links, Hume's Ghost. I don't thi...Thanks for those links, Hume's Ghost. I don't think it gets uglier than suggesting that those you disagree with should be killed.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-6959207126297491142008-10-23T14:48:00.000-07:002008-10-23T14:48:00.000-07:00My favorite - by the way - because the post got ci...My favorite - by the way - because the post got cited in the Chicago Sun-Times (I think - it was definitely in the on-line edition.)Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-27466560930354710382008-10-23T14:43:00.000-07:002008-10-23T14:43:00.000-07:00And my favorite, Melanie Morgan doing her best imp...And my favorite, Melanie Morgan <A HREF="http://dailydoubt.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-melanie-morgan-psycho.html" REL="nofollow">doing her best impression</A> of Radio Rwanda.Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-24506356010213896902008-10-23T14:39:00.000-07:002008-10-23T14:39:00.000-07:00"The thing is that I listen to talk radio ... and ..."The thing is that I listen to talk radio ... and I almost never hear Republicans using the terminology that I see here to describe Democrats"<BR/><BR/>He's right. AM radio <A HREF="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/02/limbaugh-and-cockroaches.html" REL="nofollow">is far worse</A>.<BR/><BR/>And that's not some anonymous commenter - that's a central figure in Republican politics, someone regularly visisted by the likes of the Vice President and what not.Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-71790486088719388462008-10-23T08:31:00.000-07:002008-10-23T08:31:00.000-07:00Actually, Mover, I think I gave too much credit to...Actually, Mover, I think I gave too much credit to your claim about what you hear on the radio and see on TV. If you listen to people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and the guests they have on their programs, you know exactly where the people in these videos get their ideas, however further distorted they may have made them.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-52575450508700384802008-10-22T14:21:00.000-07:002008-10-22T14:21:00.000-07:00Mover: I understand the meaning of the word "hypoc...Mover: I understand the meaning of the word "hypocrisy," and engaging in the behavior that you criticize others for is a paradigm case.<BR/><BR/>I haven't seen anyone make the claim that half the voting population is properly described as bigoted and ignorant--if anyone thinks that, they are mistaken.<BR/><BR/>Comparing Internet postings (where there is nearly complete freedom of expression) to broadcast television or radio (which have relatively strict standards imposed by the FCC) isn't a fair comparison. If you compare the comments here to, say, those at FreeRepublic.com, I think you'll find the ones here relatively mild by comparison. I try to encourage civility at my blog, but at the same time I'm quite liberal about what comments I allow to remain, even if I disagree with them.<BR/><BR/>I still haven't seen you offer agreement with the characterization of the individuals in the videos as "bigoted and ignorant." Is there a reason why you refuse to condemn the actions and speech of those particular McCain and Palin supporters? It seems to me perfectly clear that we should both (a) not smear a whole set of supporters by the actions of a few and (b) should be willing to criticize bigotry wherever it appears, but you seem to only be concerned about (a). I agree with you on (a). Don't you agree with me on (b)?Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-45918560365879321222008-10-22T13:01:00.000-07:002008-10-22T13:01:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08344191092122116937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-33572143999435231662008-10-22T12:56:00.000-07:002008-10-22T12:56:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08344191092122116937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-11935861777115649992008-10-22T12:38:00.000-07:002008-10-22T12:38:00.000-07:00Mr. Lippard,I believe that you do not understand t...Mr. Lippard,<BR/><BR/>I believe that you do not understand the term "hypocritical". I used the term mushbrains to typify the rude comments I see here. If anyone believes, excuse me, "feels" that about half of the voting population can be described in the terms used here, then they need to broaden their sources of information.<BR/><BR/>And BTW: I did not "dispute that the "bigoted and ignorant" statement is accurate," as it may be accurate for the folks in your videos. But doesn't generally apply to every other voter, no matter their political affiliation. There are a few bigots and ignorant people on both sides of the isle. However, the vast majority of voters on either side are not. <BR/><BR/>The thing is that I listen to talk radio, watch local, national news and the Foxnews and I almost never hear Republicans using the terminology that I see here to describe Democrats. Hilary elicited a few names, but I think she's proud of them.the Moverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01813004333519488739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-78002387465651167512008-10-22T11:53:00.000-07:002008-10-22T11:53:00.000-07:00Mover: Your comment strikes me as rather hypocrit...Mover: Your comment strikes me as rather hypocritical, in that you're engaging in the same sort of namecalling that you decry.<BR/><BR/>I note that you do not dispute that the "bigoted and ignorant" statement is accurate, only that it's not a statement that an elected politician would make. Perhaps so, but I'm grateful that I am not an elected politician, and have the freedom to express accurate judgments about members of the U.S. voting public.<BR/><BR/>You claim that there are multiple cars with McCain bumper stickers that have been keyed and set on fire by Obama supporters. There seems to have been <A HREF="http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/" REL="nofollow">a single instance of a Lexus vandalized in a parking garage in Clearwater, FL</A>, which the owner suspects was due to his McCain sticker. That's a deplorable action, but it doesn't appear to be the epidemic your comment implies.<BR/><BR/>I can condemn bad acts and statements no matter who performs them. Can't you?Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-89710367769723979492008-10-22T11:31:00.000-07:002008-10-22T11:31:00.000-07:00"Seeing all these angry old mean-as-hell white peo..."Seeing all these angry old mean-as-hell white people is giving me flashbacks”<BR/><BR/>The comments on this subject are amazing. Flashbacks, indeed. Who told you that would sound smart, Hume's Ghost?<BR/><BR/>Now you've done it, truthmattes. Hume's Ghost is confused. He wasn't taught that in pre-school.<BR/><BR/>the chemist says he's "legitimately concerned about Obama's safety". This pure nonsense. The only person who claims to have heard anyone yell out "kill him" was a reporter. The USSS could find no witnesses to this remark and no one but the reporter heard it. I'm thinking it might have been his own voice he heard.<BR/><BR/>So, McCain supporters are "window lickers". I am amused to see how the true mushbrains in our country can project their own shortcomings to people they never met and have no clue about their lives. Just knowing that they are not voting for Obamesiah is proof positive that they are lacking something. Is that right folks?<BR/><BR/>And "the chemist" is concerned about Obama's safety. Why? Well everyone with a brain knows Republicans are just plain mean and stupid, right? Let's ignore all the cars with McCain bumper stickers that have been keyed, had the windows broken and set on fire by Obama supporters.<BR/><BR/>If you support Obama and cannot come up with one concrete thing that he has done in the past as some kind of evidence that he will do as he says as president, then you've become just another follower in a country that needs independent thinkers.<BR/><BR/>Progressives, you drink from the party trough and believe you're smarter than your political opponents. Have you watched C-SPAN and noticed how your elected officials address each other? No one who remains in office ever refers to his/her opponents as "Bigoted and ignorant", "angry old mean-as-hell white people", "cow ", "These poor people are in need of an education", "these idiots", "These morons", etc.<BR/><BR/>And I thought Progressives were the people of inclusion, hope and civility. It's very hard to find any of that here.the Moverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01813004333519488739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-74915686201061105342008-10-22T08:06:00.000-07:002008-10-22T08:06:00.000-07:00I found it interesting the difference between the ...I found it interesting the difference between the McCain & Obama rallies. The people at the Obama rallies were all smiling and seemed excited. The rest seemed so angry. It is truly sad.<BR/><BR/>I found it quite disgusting when the one man said the Rape survivor should pay for her own kit & then pay double. While he is saying that, everyone around him has huge smiles. Totally disgusting. Yet, Democrats are the disgusting ones for supporting choice. I love that. If they think overturning Roe vs Wade will stop abortions they are so wrong. It will only cause more women to suffer. By seeing how they felt about a rape survivor though, I'm sure that isn't it a big deal to most pro-life.<BR/><BR/>On the argument that these videos only show a certain side, yes that is true. Regardless though, the videos are the truth. Those people knew what they were yelling and what they were saying. Anyone with common sense would know that the videos do not show every single McCain supporter.Ginnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09928304350897366869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-56632520518878510622008-10-21T19:20:00.000-07:002008-10-21T19:20:00.000-07:00Ronald: "What these videos indicate that everyone ...Ronald: "What these videos indicate that everyone that is for McCain/Palim MUST be a idiot, racist who are out to completely destroy this country."<BR/><BR/>Clearly not. What they do indicate is that many of the people shown in them have shown themselves to be idiots, bigots, and genuinely scary people.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-69490535276165613602008-10-21T19:04:00.000-07:002008-10-21T19:04:00.000-07:00You know there are bigots on both sides as there a...You know there are bigots on both sides as there are racist in virtually all races. I question these videos from both sides as to what is really being shown.<BR/><BR/>What these videos indicate that everyone that is for McCain/Palim MUST be a idiot, racist who are out to completely destroy this country.<BR/><BR/>And yes, the other side selects their videos as well to present their side in the best light as possible.rlr6435https://www.blogger.com/profile/13157914383126975168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-68453049809973174482008-10-21T11:55:00.000-07:002008-10-21T11:55:00.000-07:00I don't blame McCain for the stupidity, but I hold...I don't blame McCain for the stupidity, but I hold him accountable for irresponsible rhetoric which works to incite this sort of stupidity.<BR/><BR/>ACORN is now getting death threats from racists. Is it McCain's fault that there are racist idiots who want to kill Obama and black? No. Is McCain responsible for generating the backlash against ACORN and minorities by making absurd and bogus allegations that the organization is a threat to democracy while people like Michelle Malkin are blogging about how ACORN is going to steal the election with fraudulent minority votes? Yes.Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-56533252535223869002008-10-21T09:47:00.000-07:002008-10-21T09:47:00.000-07:00(Sorry - URL was too long!)I'm guessing Oberdork j...(Sorry - URL was too long!)<BR/><BR/>I'm guessing Oberdork just did...<BR/><BR/>(See the vid at <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/against_mob_rule_and_pandering.php" REL="nofollow">Pharyngula... </A>)<BR/><BR/>...but I since I'm not watching anything MSNBC-related, I don't actually know what he says. You'll have to take PZ's word for it.saltydogmnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06628689962999295669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-80053400420891660812008-10-21T09:42:00.000-07:002008-10-21T09:42:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.saltydogmnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06628689962999295669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-15724632798555222292008-10-21T07:28:00.000-07:002008-10-21T07:28:00.000-07:00Whateverman: "I hesitate attributing this stupidit...Whateverman: "I hesitate attributing this stupidity to McCain."<BR/><BR/>Has someone attributed this stupidity to McCain, as opposed to a subset of his supporters?Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-91691606156085305812008-10-21T07:06:00.000-07:002008-10-21T07:06:00.000-07:00"siber space" rhymes with "gibber face""siber space" rhymes with "gibber face"Calladushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17620879847877868166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-62841619038795319212008-10-21T07:03:00.000-07:002008-10-21T07:03:00.000-07:00I love seeing these idiots say things like, "This ...I love seeing these idiots say things like, "This is a Christian nation!" Wow.. so we've forgotten that our ancestors came to this land fleeing religious persecution and that one of the first things guaranteed to every American is the 'freedom of religion.' That includes the right to not have a faith. Many of the founding fathers were also Universalists. But this is a Christian nation? These morons tell people to go back to their country of origin and don't even know what rights this country was founded on? To me, THEY should leave. Not people that are actually paying attention.aubreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02226539461673551921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-19500139025650878982008-10-21T06:12:00.000-07:002008-10-21T06:12:00.000-07:00I hesitate attributing this stupidity to McCain. ...I hesitate attributing this stupidity to McCain. To be sure, his campaign may have started some of the rumors, but it's clear that these people WANT to believe such things.<BR/><BR/>We are all responsible for the information we accept or portray as Factual. A healthy dose of skepticism will quickly reveal when someone is telling you what you want to hear. These idiots would do themselves and their kids some good by not being so eager to lap up extreme right-wing propagandaWhatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-69309430753138971982008-10-21T03:04:00.000-07:002008-10-21T03:04:00.000-07:00These poor people are in need of an education. I...These poor people are in need of an education. I hope this is one of the priorities of the Presidency and the Congress in the next term.Tony Sidawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05574184901254178514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-32507358328001221062008-10-20T21:01:00.000-07:002008-10-20T21:01:00.000-07:00Here's the video.Saturday Night Live did a "crazy ...Here's the <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Xi8JnfAHI" REL="nofollow">video</A>.<BR/><BR/>Saturday Night Live did a "crazy McCain rally lady" bit a couple weeks ago based on this woman.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-20132422862822497612008-10-20T20:08:00.000-07:002008-10-20T20:08:00.000-07:00Nomad: There was an instance where a woman said t...Nomad: There was an instance where a woman said that Obama is an Arab, and McCain responded in a way that put his foot in his mouth, saying "He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with." The problem is the implication that Arabs can't be decent family men... The Daily Show ran with this one, and Juan Cole discusses it <A HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2008/10/mccain-obama-decent-no-arab.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.com