tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post116335044108522478..comments2024-01-10T17:36:15.040-07:00Comments on The Lippard Blog: Public school teacher tells class: "You belong in hell"Lippardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-77953342474895106102011-06-01T21:03:18.054-07:002011-06-01T21:03:18.054-07:00quickkid,
Mormons use a King James Version of the...quickkid,<br /><br />Mormons use a King James Version of the Bible, the only difference being the choice of references in the foot notes, and occasional offering of the original Hebrew/Greek words that were replaced for italicized words in the body. Mormons hail back to a more pre-Nicean, less Hellanized interpretation of Christianity, and they believe prophets and apostles are on the earth today preparing them for the second coming of Christ. <br /><br />With that said, King James Version or not, whatever you have read in the Bible was not likely written by any apostle or prophet of the Christian faith as there is strong evidence that none of the gospels were written by them, and all epistles and handed-down-by-word writings and traditions from the Christian faith are several generations removed and severely tampered with.oop_masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09217690650413240553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-50890035860995376932009-09-14T20:27:03.278-07:002009-09-14T20:27:03.278-07:00I'm not arguing for neutrality in pedagogy.
I...I'm not arguing for neutrality in pedagogy.<br /><br />I am arguing for lack of establishment clause violations.<br /><br />You're right that there's a tension between the establishment and free exercise clauses, but I don't think this is a problematic case.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-1509750368362638802009-09-14T17:32:23.885-07:002009-09-14T17:32:23.885-07:00Provoking discussion on controversial issues is fi...Provoking discussion on controversial issues is fine, but acting like there is such a thing as neutrality in pedagogy is another thing entirely. Science instructors, for example, are hypocrites if they think that they can teach from their own perspective without being religious themselves, since every statement of right and wrong is fundamentally religious in nature, and they're saying Darwinism is right, aren't they?<br /><br />By making fun of Creationism, for instance, they are saying that theirs is a better religion than the one they're making fun of, because they're claiming to be right and the other side to be wrong. Again, the moral fundamental of all religions. They just won't name theirs, of course, because that's part of their religious beliefs to do.<br /><br />All this is the same old same old religion in public schools. The best thing to do is do <a href="http://www.abolishcompulsoryeducation.com/compulsory-education-blog.html" rel="nofollow">away with public school entirely</a>. It serves Liberty best.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683096995368329969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-4176466913542881082007-07-06T18:57:00.000-07:002007-07-06T18:57:00.000-07:00"Study the position of Earth from the sun. One inc...<I>"Study the position of Earth from the sun. One inch closer or further would cause us to burn or freeze."</I><BR/><BR/>Couldn't stop laughing when I read that.<BR/><BR/>To the point of the article, I don't think I've ever seen a U.S. History teacher so tragically misunderstand the U.S. Constitution.<BR/><BR/>And yes, one of the most telling points in the entire episode is when the teacher completely denied saying any of the things the student claimed. He's a liar willing to sacrifice an honest student to get away with his actions. Very Christianlike of him.Don Shefflerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08075265633918632883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-3219745129459412052007-02-22T10:09:00.000-07:002007-02-22T10:09:00.000-07:00David: howmanyofme.com says there are 9 people na...David: howmanyofme.com says there are 9 people named David Paszkiewicz in the United States.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-44731473125044870752007-02-21T17:40:00.000-07:002007-02-21T17:40:00.000-07:00Hi Jim,I'd like to clarify an earlier comment by "...Hi Jim,<BR/><BR/>I'd like to clarify an earlier comment by "anonymous."<BR/><BR/>+++I looked, and looked, and looked for ANY kind of verification to this, and came up with NOTHING, other than that David Paszkiewicz is a world class Rubik's cube puzzle solver (or a name on a church webpage.)+++<BR/><BR/>I am David Paszkiewicz. <BR/><BR/>But I'm not the guy everyone's been talking about. I'm the guy who's producing a documentary on the Rubik's Cube, and for a while, I thought I had a unique name. <BR/><BR/>I know you've been covering this story for a while, and I'm sure a lot of people read this blog, so I just want to avoid being lumped in with the East Coast teacher-preacher. My mom is going crazy worrying about the bad rap that I'm getting over all this. <BR/><BR/>For the record, I don't proselytize, and I'm also not a world-class Rubik's Cuber. But I know a guy who is. <BR/><BR/>David Paszkiewicz, not David PaszkiewiczUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292688376745727496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-29124492752353929502007-02-04T22:30:00.000-07:002007-02-04T22:30:00.000-07:00Monica,
Thank you for the advice it was very help...Monica,<br /><br />Thank you for the advice it was very helpful. it made me look deeper and find out exactly what i believe as a christian. in talking to you and Einzige you two haved helped me by challenging me to really look into the christan faith and find out the core belief which makes christianity different then all the other religions out there today <br /><br />but if i could give you a suggestion <br /><br />you said earlier that you attemped to see what the bible says by reading the morman bible<br /><br />i would suggest that you read the book of Romans in a Christian bible and not a morman bible.<br /><br /><br /> Mormons are not Christans and have a totally different belief system then christians do. I do not agree with the morman bible and according to what i believe mormans are not going to heaven. <br /><br />thanks again,<br /><br />Joseph aka(quickkid)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-87097735743153542572007-02-01T19:54:00.000-07:002007-02-01T19:54:00.000-07:00This will be my last post to quickkid.
quickkid w...This will be my last post to quickkid.<br /><br />quickkid wrote:<br /><i>Like i said in one of my previous comments is that people like to get caught up on the little things.</i><br /><br />You may recall my following statement:<br /><br /><i>You might answer me that your God would take into consideration the fallible nature of mankind and give brownie points for effort, as long as they get the very basics of Christianity down. But what are the basics? Again, this varies from sect to sect.</i><br /><br />In your sect, the following is apparently the basics:<br /><br /><i>what you need to believe is that Jesus Christ is the one true God, that He died one the cross for our sins, he rose from the dead on the third day, and that He is comming back for us again.</i><br /><br />Okay, that's fair. I'm guessing there's a bit more than the basics you outlined that didn't occur to you to type out at the time, which is understandable. Just make sure to not assume that just because someone is following the basics you gave above, then that someone also believes in many of the other things that you believe in, too. Some things you believe in may seem obvious to you, given the basics, but not everyone shares your assumptions or follows the same logic.<br /><br />I am very glad you took my advice of explaining your beliefs in more detail, as can be seen in some of your responses to Einzige's questioning. I'm nowhere even close to knowing what the Bible says, and an attempt by me to read (starting from page 1) a Mormon Bible I got from a hotel room didn't last. The bile that made its way up my throat as I read the first 30 pages or so was enough to fling the book to the pits of dust-dom. No, I'm not going to skip ahead to the New Testament, so don't even try to reason with me on this.<br /><br />*ahem* Anyway, whatever my horribly biased opinions, at least you are now making slightly more persuasive arguments for Jesus rather than just flinging his name around. Keep up with the details! ...in the other forum that Jim Lippard suggested, of course.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15368419918387190385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-8773070227692964312007-01-31T19:36:00.000-07:002007-01-31T19:36:00.000-07:00quickkid: This is all getting rather far afield o...quickkid: This is all getting rather far afield of the topic of this blog post. May I recommend the Internet Infidels Discussion Boards (http://www.iidb.org/)?Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-63549970042536572362007-01-31T18:59:00.000-07:002007-01-31T18:59:00.000-07:00So you believe in hell?
No. I do not. I was jokin...<i>So you believe in hell?</i><br /><br />No. I do not. I was joking.<br /><br />Thanks for your explanations of the various things Jesus said.<br /><br />So Jesus was making a special case for that one rich guy, used the word "hate" when he didn't really mean it, apparently really meant it when he said we should follow the Mitzvot (including the animal sacrifices?), and the rest I confess to not understanding at all. Is that a good summary of your points?Einzigehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06406227217230727209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-86782143190180140312007-01-31T17:40:00.000-07:002007-01-31T17:40:00.000-07:00Thus, in his response to Nicodemus, Jesus is givin...Thus, in his response to Nicodemus, Jesus is giving Nicodemus the opportunity to recognize who it is that stands before him. But Nicodemus gets confused. When Jesus says one must be born from above (anothen), Nicodemus takes it as being born again (cf. NIV text and note). Jesus is speaking of the spiritual realm, but Nicodemus thinks he is referring to the physical. Such a mistake need not be an absolute barrier to understanding Jesus. The Samaritan woman will have the same problem, and yet Jesus will use her misunderstandings to reveal himself to her (4:1-26). But Nicodemus is unable to pick up on the additional clues Jesus gives.<br /><br />Jesus explains being born from above in terms of being born of water and the Spirit (3:5). The water of baptism and the coming of the Spirit have already been associated in this Gospel (1:31-33), and cleansing by water and new life from the Spirit were already associated with one another in the Old Testament, especially in Ezekiel 36:25-28:<br /><br />THANKS FOR THE INVITATION BUT I’LL BE IN HEAVEN.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-44131863810435488602007-01-31T17:33:00.000-07:002007-01-31T17:33:00.000-07:00in responce to matt 18
Here Jesus begins the fou...in responce to matt 18 <br /><br />Here Jesus begins the fourth discourse in Matthew, addressing relationships in the church, the community of the kingdom (18:1-35). Relations with the state (17:24-27), with one's spouse (19:1-9) and with children (19:13-16) surround this section. Yet Jesus' teaching on relationships here especially addresses relationships among disciples. As God's community, they are to watch out for one another, expressing patience toward the spiritually young as well as seeking to restore the straying, gently disciplining the erring and forgiving the repentant.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-9893430787187622872007-01-31T17:31:00.000-07:002007-01-31T17:31:00.000-07:00in responce to matt 5:20
As if Jesus' words in 5:...in responce to matt 5:20<br /><br />As if Jesus' words in 5:3-16 were not strong enough, he presents even more stringent demands of the kingdom in these verses. While various groups of Christians today may differ concerning exactly how Jesus intended his disciples to interpret the law, one point is clear: Jesus was not an antinomian. He expected his followers to understand and apply the moral principles already revealed in Scripture.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-34801892579819720532007-01-31T17:28:00.000-07:002007-01-31T17:28:00.000-07:00in responce to luke 14 26
So Jesus calls for a fo...in responce to luke 14 26<br /><br />So Jesus calls for a follower who will hate his mother and father, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life. The point of the list is that no other relationship is first for a disciple. "Hate" is used figuratively and suggests a priority of relationship. Jesus is first. To follow Jesus means to follow Jesus, not anyone or anything else. A disciple is a learner, and the primary teacher in life is Jesus. This total loyalty is crucial, given the rejection and persecution that lie ahead. If his followers care more about family than about Jesus, when families are divided under pressure of persecution, they will choose against Jesus. This is what lies behind Jesus' remarks. Discipleship is not possible if Jesus is not the teacher.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-82986106227336131012007-01-31T17:25:00.000-07:002007-01-31T17:25:00.000-07:00in responce to Luke Chapter 18
More important is...in responce to Luke Chapter 18 <br /><br />More important is the man's question. "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" He wants to know how he can be sure he will share in the life to come. Jesus' reply focuses on the standard of righteousness as represented in portions of the Ten Commandments. Avoiding adultery, murder, stealing and lying, as well as the positive call to honor one's parents, are specifically noted. The spirit of Jesus' reply fits with what was said in 10:25-28, where the commandment to love God and others was cited more generally. In this context the reply is significant, because the issue of money, which will surface shortly, can make us view others as means to an end, rather than as people. So Jesus concentrates here on commandments dealing with how we relate to others. Jesus wishes to check this confidence with a further demand that will reveal two things: <br /><br />(1) how generous the man is and <br /><br />(2) whether he will listen to Jesus. He still lacks something. Here <br /><br />JESUS IS NOT ASKING THE MAN TO DO SOMETHING HE ASKS EVERYONE TO DO, SINCE HE WILL COMMEND ZACCHAEUS'S GENEROSITY IN 19:1-10 <br /><br />without asking him to sell all. What Jesus does is test the man's heart and attachments. Is God placed ahead of worldly possessions in this man's life? Does the man really love God and others? So Jesus tells him that he lacks one thing: he must sell all his possessions.<br /><br />But to stop here is to miss the point. Jesus goes on to promise the man treasure in heaven if he will follow Jesus. The need to come to Jesus, to trust him, is not absent from the passage. It is merely defined by reference to the obstacle that stands between the man and God: his security in his wealth.<br /><br />The man's response says it all. He is very sad. The choice is a painful one, and he refuses to consider it. Grieved at the options, he chooses his wealth.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-73259399162543125932007-01-31T17:09:00.000-07:002007-01-31T17:09:00.000-07:00so you believe in hell?so you believe in hell?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-8582353317491920072007-01-30T18:51:00.000-07:002007-01-30T18:51:00.000-07:00Quickkid,
According to Jesus himself, we need to ...Quickkid,<br /><br />According to Jesus himself, we need to do quite a bit more than simply believe in him.<br /><br />In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2018:18-22;&version=31;">Luke Chapter 18</a> Jesus says we must sell everything and follow him...<br /><br />In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2014:26-33;&version=31;">Luke Chapter 14</a> Jesus says we have to hate our families and ourselves and give up everything...<br /><br />In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%205:17-20;&version=31;">Matthew 5</a> he says we need to be more righteous than the Pharisees...<br /><br />In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2018:2-3;&version=31;">Matthew 18</a> he says we have to become like little children (and what the hell is that supposed to mean?)...<br /><br />In <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:3-8;&version=31;">John 3</a> he says we need to be born again (again, WTF?)...<br /><br />If we don't do all those things then we're still going to hell. <b>Jesus says it!</b><br /><br />Have you sold everything? Are you following the Mitzvot?<br /><br />I'll see you in Hell!Einzigehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06406227217230727209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-82404145075805428722007-01-30T18:00:00.000-07:002007-01-30T18:00:00.000-07:00(Do those people go to hell for their misinterpret...(Do those people go to hell for their misinterpretations?)<br /><br /><br />Like i said in one of my previous comments is that people like to get caught up on the little things.<br /><br />for instance:<br /><br />some christans believe that the rapture will happen before the tribulation times<br />others believe that it will happen during the tribulation times<br />and others believe that it will happen at the end. <br /><br />The bible does not give an exact date so no one can be sure, but that doesnt matter. whether you believe it will happen at the begining or the end is not important. thats not going to keep you from going to heaven.<br /><br />what you need to believe is that Jesus Christ is the one true God, that He died one the cross for our sins, he rose from the dead on the third day, and that He is comming back for us again.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18157606978759594536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-73249202890643005542007-01-27T14:07:00.000-07:002007-01-27T14:07:00.000-07:00quickkid wrote:
"so you fill that it would be bet...quickkid wrote:<br /><br />"so you fill that it would be better to believe in nothing then? Insted of "chancing" that you might have believed in the right religion you would rather just give up completly and lose any chance you had at going to heaven?"<br /><br />I'm not saying that it would be better for you or I to believe in nothing instead of your God. I'm just pointing out how weak that particular argument of yours is. Even you say that self-preservation is not the reason you believe in your God. At least, it's not the primary reason. You didn't directly say so, but I'm guessing you agree that your God wouldn't appreciate self-preservation to be the main reason for someone believing in Him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that level of reasoning actually be an insult to your God? The threat of hell/punishment is sufficient for small children, but we tend to want better justification for our beliefs as we mature. So, my advice is for you to just stop using Pascal's Wager in your arguments, since it'll only weaken your position, not strengthen.<br /><br />On a related note, you may have noticed that I kept using "your God" instead of just "God" in the above paragraph. This is because not only are there several other "gods" of the non-Christian type that can potentially be worshiped, but there are also several different versions of the Christian God that can by believed in, too. Just look at how many different Christian sects are out there. These sects differ not only in what meanings (literal, metaphorical, broad definition of words, narrow definition of words, unfortunate mistranslation, no longer applies to modern society, etc.) they inferred from God's Word (Bible), but also in which version of the Bible they are inferring from. It sometimes even depends upon the individual preacher who happens to be leading a particular group within a larger sect.<br /><br />To say that all of these sects worship the same God would lead you into quite a snag if you are confronted with a sect that interprets God's Word so differently from your interpretation that you blurt out, "They're not true Christians. That's not what God meant at all." In other words, the people in that sect do not believe in the same God as yours. (Do those people go to hell for their misinterpretations?)<br /><br />This leads to the question of what a "true" Christian is, or, specifically, which version of the Christian God is the correct one. Obviously, you believe that your particular sect knows which God is the real deal (just like all the other people in their own particular sects believe that their version of God is the real deal). You might answer me that your God would take into consideration the fallible nature of mankind and give brownie points for effort, as long as they get the very basics of Christianity down. But what are the basics? Again, this varies from sect to sect.<br /><br />Given this, unless you start specifying to us what version of the Bible you subscribe to (don't forget to include the edition number and publishing company!), what your sect's interpretations on several areas of that Bible are, etc., we would have no idea of what we are being asked by you to believe in.<br /><br />You asked me,<br /><br />"Do you have any real proof that Christanity is a wrong religion or are you just simply basing your argument off of personal opinion"<br /><br />Well, as I pointed out above, the term "Christianity" includes in its meaning very diverse and often-contradicting sets of beliefs. It's necessary for you to specify which set of beliefs you are basing your arguments on in the first place so that we can all avoid using what you would consider strawmen versions of your particular stripe of Christianity.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15368419918387190385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-11610075714081974732007-01-26T11:37:00.000-07:002007-01-26T11:37:00.000-07:00Bryan:
You are mistaken.
The source is identifie...Bryan:<br /><br />You are mistaken.<br /><br />The source is identified in the first sentence of the blog post: "The following is from Paul L. LaClair, a NYC attorney who lives in Kearny, New Jersey, and is posted with his permission." I came across this text posted to the SKEPTIC mailing list (by someone other than LaClair, who had seen it on another mailing list), then tracked down Paul LaClair to verify that he had written it, and obtained his permission to post it on my blog. I also obtained a copy of the recordings from the LaClairs.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-8799523995864218252007-01-26T11:36:00.000-07:002007-01-26T11:36:00.000-07:00Blogger is giving me an error message when I try t...Blogger is giving me an error message when I try to eliminate the near-duplicate post.<br /><br />This new Blogger interface still seems to have some problems.<br />Apologies for any inconvenience (but I blame Blogger!).Bryan Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608604859044029293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-73445713922870729892007-01-26T11:33:00.000-07:002007-01-26T11:33:00.000-07:00Nevermind.
I see you attributed it to Paul (LaClai...Nevermind.<br />I see you attributed it to Paul (LaClair) up at the top.<br />Paul would not admit having authored it in a fairly recent message board conversation.<br />For whatever reason (perhaps on the advice of his lawyer in light of impending litigation).<br /><br />Thanks for making it sufficiently clear.<br />Cheers!Bryan Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608604859044029293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-8039142823615740002007-01-26T11:21:00.000-07:002007-01-26T11:21:00.000-07:00Jim,
What is the source of the material you appar...Jim,<br /><br />What is the source of the material you apparently quoted in the original blog post (in italics)?<br /><br />I've followed the URLs you provided in the text without satisfaction, and the author isn't identified, either.<br /><br />It wouldn't be a bad idea for you to provide clear identification of the source you used.<br />It's an issue of credibility.Bryan Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608604859044029293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-31566787565144616092007-01-26T11:19:00.000-07:002007-01-26T11:19:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Bryan Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608604859044029293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15453937.post-16289900625589421542007-01-25T19:17:00.000-07:002007-01-25T19:17:00.000-07:00...you must remember the bible was inspired by God...<i>...you must remember the bible was inspired by God but written by men. what they wrote was simply their interpertation of what God was saying.</i><br /><br />So then how can the Bible be helpful <b>at all</b> in understanding God and what He wants for us? And why would God leave such an important job to people he must have known would corrupt his word? Doesn't that seem just a little strange to you?<br /><br /><i>...and they totally miss the great messege that the bible is tring to give.</i><br /><br />What message is that? Why would a loving, caring, all-knowing God, who certainly ought to be <i>capable</i> of writing compellingly and persuasively, churn out the confusing mess that is the Bible? You would think that it would be literally <i>impossible</i> for anyone to misinterpret it! The fact that people do demands an explanation! (Personally I think the simplest--and most likely--one is this: The Bible is not divinely inspired)<br /><br /><i>oh and tell me what you think about that site.</i><br /><br />In a word: unconvincing.Einzigehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06406227217230727209noreply@blogger.com